Processos Volume XIII, Pages 3909-3915
To: Ricard PaivaFrom: DC 1756 Mike
MARSHALLRef: David PayneDate: October 24, 2007
Leicester Police ConstabularyRicardo,
As requested, appended are the statements
of Arul and Katherina Gaspar. I read with curiosity the
written statements given by David Payne but was not able
to extricate any other information besides what is
He declares that he saw Madeleine, for
the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann
apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry.
He did not indicate the motive for being
there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how
long he stayed. When asked with whom he was on the
afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information
was already offered to the police and cannot remember if
anyone else was there. He does not remember what he was
wearing that afternoon.
He took part in the searches, having
carried out most of them alone. He was at times
accompanied by Matthew Oldfield. He did not partake in
the searches carried out on the 4th of May, because, on
this day, he spent to majority of time in the police
For many questions, he does not give a
complete response, affirming simply that he has already
given this information to the Portuguese police in his
I examined once again the declarations of
Fiona Payne. In her statements, she states that she went
to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of
May, together with Kate.
She states afterwards that, 10 minutes
later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which
husband she refers to. Her responses to the questions
are vague. She continued to respond to questions with
"they conform with my earlier statement" or some similar
D.C. Mike Marshalls comments to Ricard
Pavo..attached to the Gaspar statements..
I have to confess I missed this important
piece of information. I was too eager in believeing the
words of Katherine Gaspar.
A Leicestershire Police Officer and his
doubts written for the attention of Ricard Pavo. Ricard
who Gerry Mccann has called a liar.
I once again decided to look through the
Gaspar statements as though seeing them for the first
Arul Gaspar, along with his wife wished
to give a statement to Police. They had concerns and
possible information that could help in the case of
Arul Gaspar in his statement talks of his
friendship with the Mccanns. They would chat on the
phone exchange e.mails and meet up four times a year to
spend week-ends together. Between 2001-2005 they were in
contact and went to each others homes.
In the year 2005, a holiday was planned.
This was to include three other couples including the
Mccanns. Arul is clear ,he had not met the other couples
before. Madeleine was almost two years and the twins six
He goes on, the other couples were Fiona
and David Payne and Stuart and Tara, Arul cannot
remember their surname.
One large Villa was rented in Majorca
arranged by David Payne ,they would all spend their
holidays together. The Gaspars only managing one week.
Arul Gaspar says in his statement he
remembers the gesture, but adds we did not comment on
this and I thought no more about it. Arul states he has
not spoken with David or Fiona since 2005.
Katherine Gaspar has a better memory than
her husband. However, she too speaks of the great
friendship with the Mccanns. The weekends spent
together. In between the year 2002-2003 Katherine
mentions a week-end together spent with the Mccanns in
September 2005 the Gaspars went to
Majorca with their wonderful friends the Mccanns and two
other couples ,who she had yet to meet. Katherine
mentions David and Fiona Payne who she believes were
married. (Same name ,good assumption) also mentioning
Tara and Stuart again like her husband cannot remember
Katherine then reminds me why she was at
the Police Station because I had quite forgotten all
this talk of holidays and friendship , Madeleine had
also slipped my mind.
Katherine was sitting in between David
and Gerry, they were having a conversation. Katherine ,
what was Katherine doing?was she being ignored, sat
there in the middle while Gerry and Dave
talked around her?
No need to go into details, we know what
Katherine claimed she witnessed. Katherine, for her to
have seen these actions would have had to turn and watch
David...likewise, to see the response of Gerry she would
have to turn and face him.
Dr.K.Gaspar claims to have witnessed
these same actions at a later date, this made her more
anxious, so anxious ,she mentioned to her husband Arul
to watch the children at bath time. It seems David was
one of the chaps who used to bathe the children. Why
Katherine, with so much concern about David Payne still
let him bathe her child is a mystery.
After this holiday, Katherine claims to
have only seen the Mccanns at a childs birthday party.
There were no more week-ends away and no more holidays.
Dr.Arul Gaspar has not mentioned in his
statement the concerns of his wife about Payne and
bathing their child. I would hardly think it something
to have slipped ones mind.
Katherine in her statement also mentions
she thought David may have been interested in looking at
children on the Internet.
May 2007 another holiday was planned with
a group of Doctors ,the Gaspars were not among this
Dr.Arul Gaspar said they had not seen the
Paynes again because they were friends of the Mccanns
and NO OTHER reason.The Gaspars ,although having spent
time with the Paynes under the same roof , David ,who
had bathed their child were not considered friends .
The Gaspar statements, when you read them
speak of a friendship a friendship that has died.
Someone else had taken their place. The Paynes. Arul
said, David was great with the children he was fun, he
saw nothing to make him suspicious.
Katherine when she walked into the police
station that day....did she walk in as a truly concerned
parent who had doubts about David Payne?..Or were her
motives out of spite?..When giving her statement ,the
Detective would have noticed her demeanor. Most of this
statement has little to do with Madeleine but a lot to
do with her dislike of David Payne. I would imagine this
was noticed by the police and a very good reason for not
forwarding on to PJ...A woman scorned and using the most
wicked way to get back at the couple who had taken her
Makes sense, however ,I have to cover all
angles...could be the Gaspars do not even exist. Fiona
in her witness statement mentioned how she found Kates
actions 'ODD' when placing her hands in front of the
twins faces. She also found it 'ODD' they did not wake.
Could be this whole story has been made
up to threaten the Paynes and keep them in
line...because they later suspected the Mccanns had
sedated the twins. I think they would have been against
it had they known.
Anway I have said my piece .I will leave
it for you to decide.
And as for the report attached, what does
it have to do with the Gaspar statement? Nothing
absolutely nothing at all.